My Best Five!!!

[Anel69]

Well i thought about this a long long time.......and kind of thread for offseason.......this is the best starting five ever for me!!!!

I think nobody can't beat this team!:P


PG: Pippen (good point guard skills and one of best defenders ever - created the point forward position)
SG: Jordan ( do i really need to explain why???)
SF: Bird (one of the best shooters ever - pip and jordan will make up for his lack of defense)
PF: Olajuwon (skills,speed,rebounds,blocks,passing,IQ....just everything)
C: Bill Russell (greatest teammate ever,does not care about stats just about winning,will do what needed to win,best defender at center position)

So i got three scorers and two defenders,i still have size somehow cause hakeem and russell although not 7 footers were big leapers and elite rebounders,and i still have speed and skills,i have killer instinct with bird and jordan,and maybe the best shooter ever with bird,all my guys can pass the ball...so this is the ultimate team for me!:)

It was not planned but i do not have any lakers in it but two celtics......Suck it!:D

PG I know i know i know no magic but if pippen is not magic on pg skills...Magic can't defend like pippen does...so yes magic is the better player but pippen fits my team better!I know i'm biased!:D

SG i got the best ever!

SF i got the best ever...(it's up to Lebron to be the best ever.....now he's third for me behind Elgin Baylor as second and tied at third with Dr.J)

PF is Timmy better than Hakeem???......i think they're even or hakeem better (hakeem played center but with his skills he can play PF all day and he did play PF in the 80s when Sampson was with the Rox,his stats for 88 as PF 23pts 12rebs 2.7bks 2.1steals not bad haaay;) and the years after he got even better this time at C (samsomp got chicken legs:D)) - to keep it simple Timmy should be happy hakeem played center for rest of career after the 80s cause Hakeem has way better career stats almost everywhere than Timmy(honestly timmy played a lot C last years too even if they still put PF under his name when starting line-ups are showed ) and also got the most impressive single seasons...!

go and take a look:

hakeem career stats (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/olajuha01.html)

timmy career stats (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duncati01.html)

Guys hakeem is one the true greatest ever in this game.....Period!!!

C........well Wilt was a choker when it mattered the most,kareem was a scorer but selfish as hell and do you really think kareem could defend the pick&roll of the modern era,no way.....but this guy could .......>>> Russell is the ultimate team player,dude never cared about stats,the biggest winner of all time,enough said!

So guys bring yours!!!:)

[$h00ter]

PG - Oscar Robertson | Magic Johnson | Dennis Johnson
SG - Michael Jordan | Reggie Miller | Julius Erving
SF - Scottie Pippen | Alex English | Larry Bird
PF - Kareem Abdul-Jabbar | Hakeem Olajuwon | Karl Malone
C - Wilt Chamberlain | Bill Russell | Shaquille O'Neal

[marcin139]

PG - Magic Johnson
SG - Michael Jordan
SF - Larry Bird
PF - Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
C - Bill Russell

[strategix]

Magic, MJ, Bird, Olajuwon, Wilt

[Charger]

Best: Magic, MJ, Bird, Olajuwon, Russell
Favorite: Payton/Rondo, Ray Allen, Melo, Timmy, Olajuwon

[Limetre3]

Mine:
PG - Payton
SG - Jordan
SF - Pippen
PF - Duncan
C - Russell

[Kobe Bryant24_8]

Kobe, Jordan, Pippen, Duncan, Shaq.

[beatpole2]

magic mj pippen the dream russel

[talley-13]

I can only count players i really saw in action...

so i go with

Gary Payton
Michael Jordan
Lebron James
Tim Duncan
Hakeem the Dream (Shaq O`Neal)

I go with Lebron in this team because i never saw a better guy on this position...i hate him but i am so afraid when the Magic face him...he can win by himself when he is on fire...i first thought Pippen but i was really dissapointed what he was doing without Jordan...great defender but he played not awesome in Portland and Houston...
Center position is quite even in my opinion...i only saw Hakeem play one or two seasons...than he retired...he was just awesome...Shaq was by far (since i watch NBA) the most dominating person...
MJ is easy...i saw him only with the Wizards live as a fan but of course i watched so many tapes that i can easily say he is the number one...
Timmy is just awesome...i never liked his game...stupid bank shots...pretty boring but very effective...the Lockout season 99 was my first season as a NBA fan and the Spurs with the Twin Towers were dominating...i was so impressed how great Tim and David were playing on both ends of the floor...he is one of the most constant players i know since now so he deserved to take my spot...near behind Barkley (i just saw too less games from him in primetime)
Gary Payton was a tough decision...my favourite guy was always Kevin Johnson but i also never saw him play too much (just watched tapes of him)...so i go with the Glove...great defense and awesome plays for Seattle...arrogant as hell but i liked him...

[osmaye]

There are so many factors leading up to the definition of greatest. The normal consensus would simply choosing the best players at their position but it's so much more than that. I think about the chemistry. Will a person like Olajuwon necessarily accept his role over a guy like Tim Duncan? What about Wilt vs. Russell vs. Kareem? And what about talentwise? Obviously we don't know Bill Russell will play in today's league. There are different eras with different talent. We can't just simply choose a player over another just because of statistics. Here's how my team looks like:

PG- Chris Paul (toughest choice, also thinking about Magic and good point about Scottie Pippen but I chose Chris Paul just because I think he'll fit as a better PG than anybody else and who knows what he'll accomplish by the end of his career?)
SG- MJ
SF- Larry Bird
PF- Timmy D
C- Bill Russell

[Anel69]

PG - Oscar Robertson | Magic Johnson | Dennis Johnson
SG - Michael Jordan | Reggie Miller | Julius Erving
SF - Scottie Pippen | Alex English | Larry Bird
PF - Kareem Abdul-Jabbar | Hakeem Olajuwon | Karl Malone
C - Wilt Chamberlain | Bill Russell | Shaquille O'NealShame on you shooter...!:D:D:D

A bird avatar but rocking Pip and English over him!

I mean what most people do not know is that Larry is a career 20-10...actually 24.3 pts- 10.0 rebs- 6.3 asts

Bird averaged over 11rebs in his fourth season,Bron never averaged over 7 rebs so far in his career,neither has the FGs of Bird,or his titles,or showed the clutch plays we saw bird make over and over again in his career at the biggest stage...Bron is way to be close with Bird even more Jordan....(yes looks like i think now that Bron has the talent to be great but as now he's overrated but he's no way close to the greatests,but people are speaking about him like he's already a legend:rolleyes:)


No way English was better but i respect your choice cause most of people here do not know nothing about english!:)


I can only count players i really saw in action...

so i go with

Gary Payton
Michael Jordan
Lebron James
Tim Duncan
Hakeem the Dream (Shaq O`Neal)

Yeahh payton was a special one,too arrogant to be loved but the best combiantion of defense,speed,clutch,skills,offense in a point guard body....respect to the glove!:)

can't believe you taking bron......okay just one question....."you are so afraid anytime he plays your magic,cause he can win by himself when on fire"......here the question had he won so far????......we all waiting bron to be clutch in his career,he did it once against pistons in 07,that's it,Pip was decisive at least 6 times.....Pip in houston and portland this is a different Pip,his role was not to score but facilitate the offense,still over 5 assits every season all that providing his trademark defense,go and check the season without Jordan to see what young Pip was able...!

I love Bron but he's so hyped,it's like all people decided this is the best even it's clear he's not there yet!

Soo yes we should slap our own heads when we get soem thing like the decision to see....:rolleyes:

If you told somebody he's so much better than you all the time,well he'll shit on you in front of everybody!!!



There are so many factors leading up to the definition of greatest. The normal consensus would simply choosing the best players at their position but it's so much more than that. I think about the chemistry. Will a person like Olajuwon necessarily accept his role over a guy like Tim Duncan? What about Wilt vs. Russell vs. Kareem? And what about talentwise? Obviously we don't know Bill Russell will play in today's league. There are different eras with different talent. We can't just simply choose a player over another just because of statistics. Here's how my team looks like:

PG- Chris Paul (toughest choice, also thinking about Magic and good point about Scottie Pippen but I chose Chris Paul just because I think he'll fit as a better PG than anybody else and who knows what he'll accomplish by the end of his career?)
SG- MJ
SF- Larry Bird
PF- Timmy D
C- Bill RussellI love CP3 future just hope his ego not overtake him like we saw by many before,and well be around bron all teh time seems like a bad idea...anyway we will see!

I still think olajuwon is better than timmy,all stats say so,but timmy as starter is not bad too!

all in all a solid team!!!:)

[Alvy]

PG - Magic
SG - Jordan
SF - Bird
PF - Barkley
C - Russell

Barkley probably ain't the best PF ever, but he's close enough, and he's my second favorite player of all time besides Jordan, so I had to go with the quote machine.

[talley-13]

Yeahh payton was a special one,too arrogant to be loved but the best combiantion of defense,speed,clutch,skills,offense in a point guard body....respect to the glove!:)

can't believe you taking bron......okay just one question....."you are so afraid anytime he plays your magic,cause he can win by himself when on fire"......here the question had he won so far????......we all waiting bron to be clutch in his career,he did it once against pistons in 07,that's it,Pip was decisive at least 6 times.....Pip in houston and portland this is a different Pip,his role was not to score but facilitate the offense,still over 5 assits every season all that providing his trademark defense,go and check the season without Jordan to see what young Pip was able...!

I love Bron but he's so hyped,it's like all people decided this is the best even it's clear he's not there yet!

Soo yes we should slap our own heads when we get soem thing like the decision to see....:rolleyes:

If you told somebody he's so much better than you all the time,well he'll shit on you in front of everybody!!!


Lebron was an easy decision...he will win a lot of rings the next years...i do not like him as a person but for me there is no better all around guy on this position i know...(at least guys i saw playing)...his stats are just awesome plus he is a great defender...i also never liked Pippen...so no way he will be in my all time team...anyway Lebron in my eyes is a better player when it comes to individual class...Pippen was not unstoppable...Lebron is when he is in mood...and i think he will show it the next years...they have now big three guys like the Bulls years ago...Wade as the Jordan type...James as the Pippen type and Bosh as the Rodman type under the basket...i can see a dynasty coming like the Bulls had...and when we talk in 10 years again you can perhaps say...yes talley...you was right with your Lebron decision...;)

[Kobe Bryant24_8]

lebron is better than bird???? oh my lord.

[Anel69]

Lebron was an easy decision...he will win a lot of rings the next years...i do not like him as a person but for me there is no better all around guy on this position i know...(at least guys i saw playing)...his stats are just awesome plus he is a great defender...i also never liked Pippen...so no way he will be in my all time team...anyway Lebron in my eyes is a better player when it comes to individual class...Pippen was not unstoppable...Lebron is when he is in mood...and i think he will show it the next years...they have now big three guys like the Bulls years ago...Wade as the Jordan type...James as the Pippen type and Bosh as the Rodman type under the basket...i can see a dynasty coming like the Bulls had...and when we talk in 10 years again you can perhaps say...yes talley...you was right with your Lebron decision...;)

in 10 years probably!;)

Today i'm more like:mad::mad::mad:

[muckman1]

favourite:
guards: penny and timmy---backup starks and the packman and joe d!!!
forwards:mullin,oakley--backups the worm,barkley,eazy campbell
centerstage:shaqattack--backup sabonis


alltime:

pg:stockton
sg:air
forwards:bird and dr j
center:captain


second unit:

pg:magic
sg:the logo
forwards: baylor and mc hale
center:the stilt


third unit:
pg: oscar
sg:iceman
forwards:mailman and hondo or rick barry
center:russell


best player on my list: tied between bird and mj---probably bird.hes the ****ing shit...my father tells me all the time when he sees the poor forward nowadays

[Anel69]

favourite:
guards: penny and timmy---backup starks and the packman and joe d!!!
forwards:mullin,oakley--backups the worm,barkley,eazy campbell
centerstage:shaqattack--backup sabonis


alltime:

pg:stockton
sg:air
forwards:bird and dr j
center:captain


second unit:

pg:magic
sg:the logo
forwards: baylor and mc hale
center:the stilt


third unit:
pg: oscar
sg:iceman
forwards:mailman and hondo or rick barry
center:russell

love it!:)

i'm sure some guys here do not know who captain,or eazy campbell,or packman or ice are!:D

guys i'll not help you goggle it now!!!!!

@muckman great great post once again!:)

[talley-13]

lebron is better than bird???? oh my lord.

If you had read my post clearly...than you should have seen that i only picked guys i saw live in action...Bird was way before my time as a basketball fan...so no Bird for me in the rankings...

[Kobe Bryant24_8]

Kobe should have been more in the lists her , But I guess Theres lot of hate around him, so.. whatever.

[talley-13]

Kobe should have been more in the lists her , But I guess Theres lot of hate around him, so.. whatever.

Kobe plays the same position like MJ...so that`s enough for the answer...it is not always hate...

[Kobe Bryant24_8]

Kobe can be with Michael in the backcourt. its no reason. but I dont care.. Just wondering, that's all.

[muckman1]

Kobe should have been more in the lists her , But I guess Theres lot of hate around him, so.. whatever.


i have stockton,jordan,johnson,robertson,west and the iceman as guards.maybe he can replace gervin but the other ones surely not.kobe is a good player nobody denies that.

[Kobe Bryant24_8]

i have stockton,jordan,johnson,robertson,west and the iceman as guards.maybe he can replace gervin but the other ones surely not.kobe is a good player nobody denies that.

for me Kobe is the best ever, even by far (with all respect for jordan), so your comment makes me laugh. but lets move on.

[muckman1]

for me Kobe is the best ever, even by far (with all respect for jordan), so your comment makes me laugh. but lets move on.

are you a bryant fan??

[Kobe Bryant24_8]

no, a K. Karl fan.

[Alvy]

Kobe should have been more in the lists her , But I guess Theres lot of hate around him, so.. whatever.

I think so too. I'ld like to change my roster.

PG - Magic
SG - Jordan
SF - Bird
PF - Barkley
C - Kobe

[beatpole2]

Kobe should have been more in the lists here , But I guess Theres lot of hate around him, so.. whatever.

grammar police !!!

[Anel69]

for me Kobe is the best ever, even by far (with all respect for jordan), so your comment makes me laugh. but lets move on.

well.........most people in the world think jordan is better....!

i do not think it's about hate that not a lot picked kobe but more about they thought jordan was better....!

do not see hate everywhere if people do not share your choices......everybody has an opinion,and at times a different one.

sure a backcourt of jordan,kobe is not bad but point guard is not kobe best position so most people prefered to pick a classic point guard and well it's fair to say you have plenty of good choices at that position with magic,stockton,thomas so you have to respect their choices

[$h00ter]

Let Kobe win 2 more championships, win 5 more MVP's, 9 more scoring titles pass jordan in scoring all-time and average, ah and he has to win 5 more finals mvp's aswell. win one more olympic gold medal and dont forget make 2 comebacks and also play professional baseball.
Jordan is a legend, Kobe isnt yet no need to compare :)
Dont get me wrong Kobe is the best Basketball Player on the planet right now but not the best of all time imo yet. He still has a long, long, long way to go.
Im talking about Basketball Player not Basketball Athlete(hint: LeBron :p).
Let's get this mess started again.*muhaha*

[Anel69]

Let Kobe win 2 more championships, win 5 more MVP's, 9 more scoring titles pass jordan in scoring all-time and average, ah and he has to win 5 more finals mvp's aswell. win one more olympic gold medal and dont forget make 2 comebacks and also play professional baseball.
Jordan is a legend, Kobe isnt yet no need to compare :)
Dont get me wrong Kobe is the best Basketball Player on the planet right now but not the best of all time imo yet. He still has a long, long, long way to go.
Im talking about Basketball Player not Basketball Athlete(hint: LeBron :p).
Let's get this mess started again.*muhaha*Killah Arguments shooter!:)

But.....(glup) i fear we going right in to another kobe/jordan murder compare challenge.......:o:o:eek:


no no no no no no.....

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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No No No No No No NO
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[BaLLa]

Hmmm tough to decide, but eventually I came up with this:

PG - Isiah Thomas

SG - Michael Jordan

SF - Lebron James (Where the haters at?? :D)

PF - Hakeem (was between the dream and prime Garnett)

C - Shaquille O'Neal

[nEwImEr]

Hmmm tough to decide, but eventually I came up with this:

PG - Isiah Thomas

SG - Michael Jordan

SF - Lebron James (Where the haters at?? :D)

PF - Hakeem (was between the dream and prime Garnett)

C - Shaquille O'Neal

not that big on past basketball (lets say pre 1994), but that is a damn good five. especially love the SF position, youll take some heat (wink :D ) for that for sure!

[BaLLa]

not that big on past basketball (lets say pre 1994), but that is a damn good five. especially love the SF position, youll take some heat (wink :D ) for that for sure!

Its cool, I can take the heat :D

http://www.celebrity-sunglasses-finder.com/image-files/lebron_james-1.jpg

[Anel69]

Its cool, I can take the heat :D

http://www.celebrity-sunglasses-finder.com/image-files/lebron_james-1.jpg

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[BaLLa]

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http://media.silive.com/advance/gordon/photo/lebron-macjpg-42af0f391987ade9_large.jpg

[Anel69]

http://media.silive.com/advance/gordon/photo/lebron-macjpg-42af0f391987ade9_large.jpg

http://images.sneakernews.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/nba-feet-game-6-01.jpg

http://bossip.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/lebron-crying.jpg?w=604

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2010/0310/bos_g_celtics01_576.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_71IfWZjTEr4/SE06s8DupdI/AAAAAAAAASE/IJhgl3cJwQg/s400/LeBron+down.jpg

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[Kobe Bryant24_8]

but how lebron james there and not Kobe? are you kidding me??????? Bird, Pippen and Worthy are much better, and as I said, Kobe can play with Jordan in the backcourt. you have another player who is better defensively and offensively than magic, Isiah Thomas, oscar, cp3 and payton, so why not Kobe?

$h00ter, but Russell won 11 rings, Jordan only 6. what it means? awards are aint everything. Kobe is more talented than Jordan, better shooter, better defender, in my opinion, and he has 5 rings already, 3 mvp's. its not enough??

Kobe is the best. for me, and for a lot of basketball fans. and When he will leave the game (Probably with another ring or two), He will be the best for a lot more people.

[Alvy]

$h00ter, but Russell won 11 rings, Jordan only 6. what it means? awards are aint everything. Kobe is more talented than Jordan, better shooter, better defender, in my opinion, and he has 5 rings already, 3 mvp's. its not enough??

If awards ain't everything, why do you remind us about how many rings and mvp's Kobe has?

[xdanx87]

but how lebron james there and not Kobe? are you kidding me??????? Bird, Pippen and Worthy are much better, and as I said, Kobe can play with Jordan in the backcourt. you have another player who is better defensively and offensively than magic, Isiah Thomas, oscar, cp3 and payton, so why not Kobe?

$h00ter, but Russell won 11 rings, Jordan only 6. what it means? awards are aint everything. Kobe is more talented than Jordan, better shooter, better defender, in my opinion, and he has 5 rings already, 3 mvp's. its not enough??

Kobe is the best. for me, and for a lot of basketball fans. and When he will leave the game (Probably with another ring or two), He will be the best for a lot more people.

Clearly an opinion that can be considered to be objective... :rolleyes:
But don't get it twisted, as a Celtics fan I have a huge amount of admiration for Kobe's talent, skills and achievements. He's a better all-round basketball player than Lebron, hands down and as such is the best player in the game today. As for the MJ argument, frankly it's too dull, boring and tedious to even comment upon but MJ's influence on the game speaks for itself.

[muckman1]

a nice 90ies squad

pg:kj
sg: plasticman
forwards:round mound of rebound and the rifleman or sean elliott
centerstage:big smooth

would be fun to watch

[Anel69]

@24_8

Like i said i do not agree too with the guys who took Bron over Bird,Pip,Worthy or English cause Bron is not there yet........(Balla if i get you:mad:)

They just love too much their Lebron like you love your Kobe....:rolleyes:

Bron should not be in any list here that is a fact but heyyy they made the same choice you did,a choice of love you know;)

Now if we care about titles and awards you can't compare Kobe to Jordan........"shooter: Let Kobe win 2 more championships, win 5 more MVP's, 9 more scoring titles pass jordan in scoring all-time and average, ah and he has to win 5 more finals mvp's aswell. win one more olympic gold medal" <==== Well so much is the distance between Jordan and Kobe.


maybe Kobe will end at best ever,maybe but today Jordan is still for most people and it is right so the G.O.A.T

Now i already explained you that most guys made their choice by position and well Magic as PG is the best option you can have.....the rest is your preference(me i prefer Pippen but i'm biased).......Kobe obvious position is SG and there you have the Jordan thing....so you just can't win this debate even if you're more than biased.


it's okay for you to think kobe is the best ever for forever ,but it's also okay for people to think no way!

Most of time you reacts like they have to think what you think...........but that's just not possible.......you have to accept different opinions and critics.


Move forward!

[Anel69]

Time to get loose here again and put an end to this useless kobe-jordan debate!:D


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[BaLLa]

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http://bossip.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/lebron-crying.jpg?w=604

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http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_71IfWZjTEr4/SE06s8DupdI/AAAAAAAAASE/IJhgl3cJwQg/s400/LeBron+down.jpg

http://fabulousbuzz.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/boston-celtics-win-game-three.jpg

http://urbansportstalk.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/lebron.jpg

:cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool:

[BaLLa]

@24_8

Like i said i do not agree too with the guys who took Bron over Bird,Pip,Worthy or English cause Bron is not there yet........(Balla if i get you:mad:)

They just love too much their Lebron like you love your Kobe....:rolleyes:

Bron should not be in any list here that is a fact but heyyy they made the same choice you did,a choice of love you know;)

Im sorry but massive disagreement here!!!

You'd have Bird over Bron? C'mon dude! Bron would own a prime Larry Bird and any other sf for that matter.

Thats why he's in my BEST five. Only the best will do.

Bron is not there yet? :rolleyes:

[muckman1]

I Bron would own a prime Larry Bird and any other sf for that matter.



weakest statement ever made in this forum plus the most embarrassing disrespect for probably the best player ever let alone the best wing ever...that is simply wrong.but hey....james has huge nike-deals lolololol

[xdanx87]

Im sorry but massive disagreement here!!!

You'd have Bird over Bron? C'mon dude! Bron would own a prime Larry Bird and any other sf for that matter.

Thats why he's in my BEST five. Only the best will do.

Bron is not there yet? :rolleyes:

Bron needs to step up in the postseason. No doubt he's an exceptional talent and he will go down as one of the all time greats but first he needs to show some clutch; I know who I'd rather have with the ball in their hands 1 down, three seconds to go in the playoffs.

[Anel69]

http://urbansportstalk.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/lebron.jpg

All things come down my friend!!!;)
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Im sorry but massive disagreement here!!!

You'd have Bird over Bron? C'mon dude! Bron would own a prime Larry Bird and any other sf for that matter.

Thats why he's in my BEST five. Only the best will do.

Bron is not there yet? :rolleyes:LMFAO!!!:P:P:P

A premiere balla starting a Bird/Bron debate!:)


Okay let's go!;)

This is not about the best athlete here.......!!!!

so what Bron jumps high and runs very fast............at the end Bird was a winner!;)

Even on stats,records,awards Bron can't match yet.....!:rolleyes:

Come back when Bron will win some titles and some finals MVPs and then we can talk again!!!:rolleyes:

I mean Bird is averaging a 20-10 for his career........get out of here!:mad:

Bron legacy is billions of miles behind Bird's one so far!!!

i see no rings:D:D:D
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[BaLLa]

weakest statement ever made in this forum plus the most embarrassing disrespect for probably the best player ever let alone the best wing ever...that is simply wrong.but hey....james has huge nike-deals lolololol

Wrong to you. ;)

I gots my opinions.

[Alvy]

Bron legacy is billions of miles behind Bird's one so far!!!

I wouldn't say billions, but millions maybe. I love LeBron, but you're on your own here, BaLLa. Maybe nEwImEr will take some of them bullets.

[muckman1]

bird would take james to school and teach this raw talent how to play...james is a good player though.

[BaLLa]

Like La Roux, I'm bulletproof. :cool:


Nah I mean Larry's a legend. One of the best to ever do it.

But as a basketball player, Bron is more talented, more athletic, much faster, a better playmaker (yes I said it!) and overall I'd have Lebron over Larry Bird every day of the week.

[muckman1]

Like La Roux, I'm bulletproof. :cool:




But as a basketball player, Bron is more talented, more athletic, much faster,


there you said it...larry was that good even without all those attributes.couldnt jump,wasnt athletic at all,wasnt really fast.nevertheless he played basketball like no one before and after him imo.he was a finesse player--and such players you dont find at all anymore in todays area where everythings about power,speed etc.todays game and especially its so-called superstars lack fundamentals to say the least.

[nEwImEr]

I wouldn't say billions, but millions maybe. I love LeBron, but you're on your own here, BaLLa. Maybe nEwImEr will take some of them bullets.

i'm not touching that one with a 20ft pole :P

I just havent seen enough of bird to say which one is better...

youre on your own balla :D

[lo7candyman]

Wow...you dudes must be seriously crazy to compare LeBron to Bird...or to compare Kobe to Jordan. Let me tell you something.

All these players played for different teams, they played against different teams, they simply played in very different eras of the NBA, within very different rules. All you do is speculate. I know, it's all fun to win a Kobe-MJ argument by bringing up their stats, championships, awards and stuff, or by bringing up their very different images. I think, it's bullsh*t, though.

I know, you all love Jordan for his championships, his desire to win, and for the very positive impact he had on the game of basketball. I also know that many of you hate Kobe for his supposed arrogance, for his selfishness, or for that sexual assault case. Don't get it twisted, I am not saying, you are wrong, BUT you there's also a few things you might want to consider before you judge either Kobe or Jordan. One of these things is the media. Nowadays, an athlete can't even fart without anyone else in this world knowing. What I'm trying to say is, even the great Michael Jordan had his dark secrets. The difference is, back in the 80's/early 90's there was no such thing as a camera phone. Remeber Kobe saying to some fools "trade Bynum" back in 2007? What happened? Some idiot recorded that sh*t, put it on YouTube and 5 minutes later the whole world knew about it. How do you know that another all-time great, Wilt Chamberlain, never f*cked a bitch and was called a raper by her a couple of weeks later...just like Kobe in 2004? You don't know, because it was a different era.

Some of you say, Jordan is better than Kobe because of his championships or because of his MVP awards. You know what? It's all horsesh*t. Let me clarify this for you by using a simple example (I hope you will understand me right):

In 2005 Steve Nash averaged 15.5 points, 11.5 assists, 1 steal per game while making 50.2% of his field goals and 43.1% of his three-pointers. In 2006 he averaged 18.8 points, 10.5 assists, 0.8 steals and was shooting 51.2% from the field and 43.9% from behind the arc. He was named MVP of both of these seasons.
On the other side, John Stockton averaged 13.1 points, 10.5 assists, 2.17 steals, while shooting 51.5% from the field and 39% threes for his entire career and was never named MVP of the NBA. My question now is, does that make Steve Nash a better basketball player than John Stockton? No...definitely not. Both players played for different teams, in different systems, against different types of players and most important, in different eras of basketball.

I mean,the Chicago Bulls won 55 games in 1994, the year after Jordan retired...in 1993 they won 57. Does that mean Michael Jordan wasn't as valuable as we thought? No, definitely not.

I know, we love reading all these numbers and statistics but they are way less relevant than you think.

You neither can objectively compare players from different eras, nor say which one is/was better...even though, sometimes they seem similar and very comparable...just like Kobe and Jordan do.

Do me a favor: take your time and think about it.

[beatpole2]

bron may be the most talented player ever, but he didnt show up yet and kept underachieving year after year.
imo t-mac prime is better than kobe prime, but i gotta give it to kobe, cause t-mac didnt reach anything in his career. know what i meaaaaan;)

[beatpole2]

Wow...you dudes must be seriously crazy to compare LeBron to Bird...or to compare Kobe to Jordan. Let me tell you something.

All these players played for different teams, they played against different teams, they simply played in very different eras of the NBA, within very different rules. All you do is speculate. I know, it's all fun to win a Kobe-MJ argument by bringing up their stats, championships, awards and stuff, or by bringing up their very different images. I think, it's bullsh*t, though.

I know, you all love Jordan for his championships, his desire to win, and for the very positive impact he had on the game of basketball. I also know that many of you hate Kobe for his supposed arrogance, for his selfishness, or for that sexual assault case. Don't get it twisted, I am not saying, you are wrong, BUT you there's also a few things you might want to consider before you judge either Kobe or Jordan. One of these things is the media. Nowadays, an athlete can't even fart without anyone else in this world knowing. What I'm trying to say is, even the great Michael Jordan had his dark secrets. The difference is, back in the 80's/early 90's there was no such thing as a camera phone. Remeber Kobe saying to some fools "trade Bynum" back in 2007? What happened? Some idiot recorded that sh*t, put it on YouTube and 5 minutes later the whole world knew about it. How do you know that another all-time great, Wilt Chamberlain, never f*cked a bitch and was called a raper by her a couple of weeks later...just like Kobe in 2004? You don't know, because it was a different era.

Some of you say, Jordan is better than Kobe because of his championships or because of his MVP awards. You know what? It's all horsesh*t. Let me clarify this for you by using a simple example (I hope you will understand me right):

In 2005 Steve Nash averaged 15.5 points, 11.5 assists, 1 steal per game while making 50.2% of his field goals and 43.1% of his three-pointers. In 2006 he averaged 18.8 points, 10.5 assists, 0.8 steals and was shooting 51.2% from the field and 43.9% from behind the arc. He was named MVP of both of these seasons.
On the other side, John Stockton averaged 13.1 points, 10.5 assists, 2.17 steals, while shooting 51.5% from the field and 39% threes for his entire career and was never named MVP of the NBA. My question now is, does that make Steve Nash a better basketball player than John Stockton? No...definitely not. Both players played for different teams, in different systems, against different types of players and most important, in different eras of basketball.

I mean,the Chicago Bulls won 55 games in 1994, the year after Jordan retired...in 1993 they won 57. Does that mean Michael Jordan wasn't as valuable as we thought? No, definitely not.

I know, we love reading all these numbers and statistics but they are way less relevant than you think.

You neither can objectively compare players from different eras, nor say which one is/was better...even though, sometimes they seem similar and very comparable...just like Kobe and Jordan do.

Do me a favor: take your time and think about it.

too...many..... words...cannot caa...caatch...my breath!



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[Charger]

Wow...you dudes must be seriously crazy to compare LeBron to Bird...or to compare Kobe to Jordan. Let me tell you something.

All these players played for different teams, they played against different teams, they simply played in very different eras of the NBA, within very different rules. All you do is speculate. I know, it's all fun to win a Kobe-MJ argument by bringing up their stats, championships, awards and stuff, or by bringing up their very different images. I think, it's bullsh*t, though.

I know, you all love Jordan for his championships, his desire to win, and for the very positive impact he had on the game of basketball. I also know that many of you hate Kobe for his supposed arrogance, for his selfishness, or for that sexual assault case. Don't get it twisted, I am not saying, you are wrong, BUT you there's also a few things you might want to consider before you judge either Kobe or Jordan. One of these things is the media. Nowadays, an athlete can't even fart without anyone else in this world knowing. What I'm trying to say is, even the great Michael Jordan had his dark secrets. The difference is, back in the 80's/early 90's there was no such thing as a camera phone. Remeber Kobe saying to some fools "trade Bynum" back in 2007? What happened? Some idiot recorded that sh*t, put it on YouTube and 5 minutes later the whole world knew about it. How do you know that another all-time great, Wilt Chamberlain, never f*cked a bitch and was called a raper by her a couple of weeks later...just like Kobe in 2004? You don't know, because it was a different era.

Some of you say, Jordan is better than Kobe because of his championships or because of his MVP awards. You know what? It's all horsesh*t. Let me clarify this for you by using a simple example (I hope you will understand me right):

In 2005 Steve Nash averaged 15.5 points, 11.5 assists, 1 steal per game while making 50.2% of his field goals and 43.1% of his three-pointers. In 2006 he averaged 18.8 points, 10.5 assists, 0.8 steals and was shooting 51.2% from the field and 43.9% from behind the arc. He was named MVP of both of these seasons.
On the other side, John Stockton averaged 13.1 points, 10.5 assists, 2.17 steals, while shooting 51.5% from the field and 39% threes for his entire career and was never named MVP of the NBA. My question now is, does that make Steve Nash a better basketball player than John Stockton? No...definitely not. Both players played for different teams, in different systems, against different types of players and most important, in different eras of basketball.

I mean,the Chicago Bulls won 55 games in 1994, the year after Jordan retired...in 1993 they won 57. Does that mean Michael Jordan wasn't as valuable as we thought? No, definitely not.

I know, we love reading all these numbers and statistics but they are way less relevant than you think.

You neither can objectively compare players from different eras, nor say which one is/was better...even though, sometimes they seem similar and very comparable...just like Kobe and Jordan do.

Do me a favor: take your time and think about it.

This is so d*mn true

[Anel69]

Jordan,Bird all played without the hand check rule!!!

Today we have this rule and it makes a lot of difference!

Back in the day the game was more physical!

So it's never easy to compare but what i look what they reached so far,the records,the titles....!

well Jordan is better than Kobe

Bird is better than Bron!

What we should do best is to look at end of their careers,when Bron and all others will be done to see their legacies in the story in the game.

[maryohhh]

Wow...you dudes must be seriously crazy to compare LeBron to Bird...or to compare Kobe to Jordan. Let me tell you something.

All these players played for different teams, they played against different teams, they simply played in very different eras of the NBA, within very different rules. All you do is speculate. I know, it's all fun to win a Kobe-MJ argument by bringing up their stats, championships, awards and stuff, or by bringing up their very different images. I think, it's bullsh*t, though.

I know, you all love Jordan for his championships, his desire to win, and for the very positive impact he had on the game of basketball. I also know that many of you hate Kobe for his supposed arrogance, for his selfishness, or for that sexual assault case. Don't get it twisted, I am not saying, you are wrong, BUT you there's also a few things you might want to consider before you judge either Kobe or Jordan. One of these things is the media. Nowadays, an athlete can't even fart without anyone else in this world knowing. What I'm trying to say is, even the great Michael Jordan had his dark secrets. The difference is, back in the 80's/early 90's there was no such thing as a camera phone. Remeber Kobe saying to some fools "trade Bynum" back in 2007? What happened? Some idiot recorded that sh*t, put it on YouTube and 5 minutes later the whole world knew about it. How do you know that another all-time great, Wilt Chamberlain, never f*cked a bitch and was called a raper by her a couple of weeks later...just like Kobe in 2004? You don't know, because it was a different era.

Some of you say, Jordan is better than Kobe because of his championships or because of his MVP awards. You know what? It's all horsesh*t. Let me clarify this for you by using a simple example (I hope you will understand me right):

In 2005 Steve Nash averaged 15.5 points, 11.5 assists, 1 steal per game while making 50.2% of his field goals and 43.1% of his three-pointers. In 2006 he averaged 18.8 points, 10.5 assists, 0.8 steals and was shooting 51.2% from the field and 43.9% from behind the arc. He was named MVP of both of these seasons.
On the other side, John Stockton averaged 13.1 points, 10.5 assists, 2.17 steals, while shooting 51.5% from the field and 39% threes for his entire career and was never named MVP of the NBA. My question now is, does that make Steve Nash a better basketball player than John Stockton? No...definitely not. Both players played for different teams, in different systems, against different types of players and most important, in different eras of basketball.

I mean,the Chicago Bulls won 55 games in 1994, the year after Jordan retired...in 1993 they won 57. Does that mean Michael Jordan wasn't as valuable as we thought? No, definitely not.

I know, we love reading all these numbers and statistics but they are way less relevant than you think.

You neither can objectively compare players from different eras, nor say which one is/was better...even though, sometimes they seem similar and very comparable...just like Kobe and Jordan do.

Do me a favor: take your time and think about it.


One of the best posts here ^^

[Alvy]

todays game and especially its so-called superstars lack fundamentals to say the least.

This is where I think Kobe really stands out. But, pardon my french, shit always comes from above. I blame the coaches. From middle school all the way to the NBA. Fast forward to 4:50, and you'll see what I mean.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zpp7UW0umc

[muckman1]

Wow...you dudes must be seriously crazy to compare LeBron to Bird...or to compare Kobe to Jordan. Let me tell you something.

All these players played for different teams, they played against different teams, they simply played in very different eras of the NBA, within very different rules. All you do is speculate. I know, it's all fun to win a Kobe-MJ argument by bringing up their stats, championships, awards and stuff, or by bringing up their very different images. I think, it's bullsh*t, though.

I know, you all love Jordan for his championships, his desire to win, and for the very positive impact he had on the game of basketball. I also know that many of you hate Kobe for his supposed arrogance, for his selfishness, or for that sexual assault case. Don't get it twisted, I am not saying, you are wrong, BUT you there's also a few things you might want to consider before you judge either Kobe or Jordan. One of these things is the media. Nowadays, an athlete can't even fart without anyone else in this world knowing. What I'm trying to say is, even the great Michael Jordan had his dark secrets. The difference is, back in the 80's/early 90's there was no such thing as a camera phone. Remeber Kobe saying to some fools "trade Bynum" back in 2007? What happened? Some idiot recorded that sh*t, put it on YouTube and 5 minutes later the whole world knew about it. How do you know that another all-time great, Wilt Chamberlain, never f*cked a bitch and was called a raper by her a couple of weeks later...just like Kobe in 2004? You don't know, because it was a different era.

Some of you say, Jordan is better than Kobe because of his championships or because of his MVP awards. You know what? It's all horsesh*t. Let me clarify this for you by using a simple example (I hope you will understand me right):

In 2005 Steve Nash averaged 15.5 points, 11.5 assists, 1 steal per game while making 50.2% of his field goals and 43.1% of his three-pointers. In 2006 he averaged 18.8 points, 10.5 assists, 0.8 steals and was shooting 51.2% from the field and 43.9% from behind the arc. He was named MVP of both of these seasons.
On the other side, John Stockton averaged 13.1 points, 10.5 assists, 2.17 steals, while shooting 51.5% from the field and 39% threes for his entire career and was never named MVP of the NBA. My question now is, does that make Steve Nash a better basketball player than John Stockton? No...definitely not. Both players played for different teams, in different systems, against different types of players and most important, in different eras of basketball.

I mean,the Chicago Bulls won 55 games in 1994, the year after Jordan retired...in 1993 they won 57. Does that mean Michael Jordan wasn't as valuable as we thought? No, definitely not.

I know, we love reading all these numbers and statistics but they are way less relevant than you think.

You neither can objectively compare players from different eras, nor say which one is/was better...even though, sometimes they seem similar and very comparable...just like Kobe and Jordan do.

Do me a favor: take your time and think about it.

some true points in it and some very false points.nevertheless a good post.but let me tell you one thing...my own eyes do the judging for me plus the old tapes from my father.with what i saw theres no comparison between the legends and the new stars of the league.its not even close.i wish it was for the sake of the league---but simply its not

anyways back to the topic: a starting five with james or bryant in it is not bad.to be honest.its pretty darn good but i prefer some so called old skoolers in my squad thats all...

[Anel69]

some true points in it and some very false points.nevertheless a good post.but let me tell you one thing...my own eyes do the judging for me plus the old tapes from my father.with what i saw theres no comparison between the legends and the new stars of the league.its not even close.i wish it was for the sake of the league---but simply its not

anyways back to the topic: a starting five with james or bryant in it is not bad.to be honest.its pretty darn good but i prefer some so called old skoolers in my squad thats all...

second that:)

[BaLLa]

Hard to compare, not impossible.

Every players different obviously, but opinions are also different. And I think Lebron is better than Bird. Hate it if you want. :cool:

[TheShot]

PG - Magic Johnson
SG - Michael Jordan
SF - Larry Bird
PF - Kareem Abdul Jabbar
C - Wilt Cahmberlain

Bench: Oscar Robertson, John Stockon, Julius Erving, Shaquille O'Neal, Kobe Bryant, Hakeem Olajuwon, Elgin Baylor, Bill Russell.
Coach: Phil Jackson