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notredame
05-08-2011, 00:06
Guys, it was hard to keep myself away from this forum until today, but I´m spending enough time on football anyway, so I prohibited myself from coming here until one month before the season`s start
Since the first gameday is set to be in exactly one month, here we are again - good to see you all in this small, but tight-knit community!!!
Since we need to bridge four more weeks until the first kickoff, go ahead and let everyone else know
-what your outlook on the season is
-how your team did in recruiting and how it is projected to fare in 2011
-what you think about the countless scandals that erupted in the off-season at OSU, ORE, UNC etc.
(and about the NCAA`s approach, which once again seems to pull out the soft gloves rather than the hammer)
-and (even though this may be the wrong forum) what you think about the lengthy NFL lockout and its resolution
As for myself, I´m pretty damn excited to finally have football back after another always-too-long drought
It`ll be great to watch football again and share that joy with you guys
It does help that my team did very well in recruiting, is considered to be a Top 20 team, possibly a BCS dark horse (and that its own little scandal ended with one of the nation`s best WRs being reinstated)
Let the forum festivities begin - football is (almost) back!!!
p.s. Go Irish!!!
ratpenat
07-08-2011, 00:40
Nd, good to see you bro....... I too am ready for some psu, wvu, and fsu football .....baseball kept me entertained for a while. The pirates were actually winning and in 1st place for teh first time since 1992 but the real pirates have shown up and managed to lose 8 games in a row. Thus, killing a special season and what could have been, looks liek season 19 of losing is on teh way.
Thank god for football and teh end of the nfl lockout ...... At least there is latrobe and ncaa to distract me now.
.... As for my predictions on the teams ....... I will say the following......
Psu.... For 2011 i see and 8-4 season..... We still have too many issues but we will grow, and win at least game we are not supposed to. This will be the season of silas redd. I say a december bowl this year.
Wvu..... In hologaritaville its always first and 10 ....... Stewtard getting axed was teh best thing that could happen to the eers..... With that drama out of the way...hologorsen is able to do what he does best and thats run potent offense...... Teh defense will be rebuilt but we should win teh big east..... I say 10-2 for 2011 and a new years day bcs bowl.
Fsu...... It just gets better with jimbo fisher and it looks liek teh good old days are coming back ....... The noles will be well balanced and win teh acc and head to a bcs birth ...... I say 11-1 for teh season.
Recruiting:
Psu was solid and beefed up on the defensive line which is imp. Not a top 10 class but a solid one.
Wvu was good and we are getting holgorsen players....solid
fsu, top 10 class and we got the nº 1 qb in the nation sooooooo i would say things are getting back to what they once were.
As for the off the field distractions...... Frankly, all teams do this .....even at psu we have run ins with teh law as we have seen in teh past years...... What happened to osu...... Couldnt have been to a nice school, so no sympathy there.
The ncaa like teh major professional sports is weak....its all about the dollar nowadays...... Osu should get the death penalty like smu but that will not happen. Osu generates money for teh big 10 ..... And its needed. Its no longer student athlete..its 3 years and nfl, that is sad but nowadays its what its all about.
needfootball
11-08-2011, 04:22
Welcome back everyone!!! IT IS TIME FOR THE 2011 FOOTBALL SEASON TO BEGIN!!!!
First of all, THANKS TO ALL THE STREAMERS! Without your support, unwavering dedication, and troubleshooting, this would not be possible every year.
I'm planning on streaming a ton of stuff this season. I'll try to get some college and NFL games up during the week while coordinating with FT and the other mods to ensure complete coverage of all the football madness!
Thanks guys and here we go!!
HuskerPower
11-08-2011, 14:48
Hey all,
Like many of you I got tired of the devil box underneath my TV charging me up the wall, but was trying to figure out how to live without my beloved Huskers without going to the bar.
So I'm new to this website and wanted to know if there's anything else I need to know. Will the stream links be posted here and I just click to watch or do I have to do more? I've already downloaded all the necessary players.
Anyway, GO HUSKERS!
I've moved away from Nebraska and haven't followed recruiting very much. I'm usually more focused on who's actually going to be on the field, but I hear we have a stellar freshman QB to follow Taylor Martinez. We're ranked 11 in the USA Today poll so it's a good start. First year in the BIG 10 too!
Thanks guys,
Nate
Redbullsnation
11-08-2011, 21:53
BRING IN THE GATORADE!!! GO GATORS GO
whoo
notredame
12-08-2011, 15:59
Rat, I wondered what kind of tremendous guilt the poor WR was feeling after running into JoePa
Turns out I wasn`t the only one doing so
http://www.theonion.com/articles/penn-state-players-all-worried-theyre-going-to-be,21120/
notredame
13-08-2011, 21:55
Realignment chaos in on again
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/6859115/texas-aggies-intend-join-sec-school-official-says
This was supposed to be over a few months ago when the apparently dead Big12 was saved by ESPN money and Texas' decision to stay in - but no say the Aggies, who pledged to stay in the Big12-minus2 for the next ten years as recently as a few months ago, and now the Big12 seems dead yet again
But that obviously won`t be the end of it, as the SEC and Pac12 will probably try to turn to 16-team-leagues once the Big12 collapses
That then could also set in motion stones falling in the ACC (FSU, Clem)
And it would maybe entice the Big Ten to go to 16 members as well
In all this potential mayhem, it would be especially interesting to see how Texas (who can`t enter the Pac12 with its newly created network, but also doesn`t wanna be an independent) and Notre Dame (who wants to remain independent, but might be forced into the Big Ten) would react
ratpenat
14-08-2011, 01:01
yeah bro..... bunch of people on facebook, mainly Pitt people, sent me this..........
ratpenat
14-08-2011, 01:03
Realignment chaos in on again
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/6859115/texas-aggies-intend-join-sec-school-official-says
This was supposed to be over a few months ago when the apparently dead Big12 was saved by ESPN money and Texas' decision to stay in - but no say the Aggies, who pledged to stay in the Big12-minus2 for the next ten years as recently as a few months ago, and now the Big12 seems dead yet again
But that obviously won`t be the end of it, as the SEC and Pac12 will probably try to turn to 16-team-leagues once the Big12 collapses
That then could also set in motion stones falling in the ACC (FSU, Clem)
And it would maybe entice the Big Ten to go to 16 members as well
In all this potential mayhem, it would be especially interesting to see how Texas (who can`t enter the Pac12 with its newly created network, but also doesn`t wanna be an independent) and Notre Dame (who wants to remain independent, but might be forced into the Big Ten) would react
yeah it will be interesting...... there will be 4 main power conferences when its said and done....... FSU will go SEC along with Clemson. Perhaps Miami as well, if not, they can go back to the big east since TCU will be there. I personally would love to see ND in the Big 10, would be interesting
ratpenat
17-08-2011, 01:55
Totally lovin Miami and OSU getting busted and hopefully reemed by the NCAA
ashgeuze
17-08-2011, 08:23
Starting to get pumped up for the coming season by watching youtube USC vids.
Got the college fight songs CD going full blast in the car, much to the annoyance of the sweet wife........
'We are SC.......super SC.......no one likes us.......we don't care........we hate the Bruins.......wooly bstrds......we will fight them.......anywhere.........' - sung to the tune of a dislikable southside Glasgow football(soccer) teams chant ;-)
Thoughts on the coming season.
Mmm. The D HAS to improve. They simply cannot get worse than last years shambles. Hopefully with a years experience the Offensive will become more consistant. I'm looking for Barkley to have a big year and cut down on the INT's.
Looking forward to playing the Utes and Buffaloes and stomping all over The Weasels bRuins.
Go Trojans....
Ash.
notredame
17-08-2011, 12:05
Totally lovin Miami and OSU getting busted and hopefully reemed by the NCAA
Just finished reading this in-depth report on the Miami situation in its entirety
http://sports.yahoo.com/investigations/news;_ylt=AoZhgCS03NKfHJWaQFLum5ccvrYF?slug=cr-renegade_miami_booster_details_illicit_benefits_08 1611
To me it sounds like that is calling for major penalties
But then again, that`s what everybody thought was going to happen at Ohio State, but from all I´ve heard they`ll probably get only a few scholarship reductions but no post-season ban
All the time the NCAA talks about getting tough on violators and almost every time they end up doing very little
They seem to be satisfied with Tressel and Pryor being gone, but it`s a joke to imagine an issue like this was caused (and overlooked) by two people only
Man, vacating those 2010 wins, giving back the BCS money and putting themselves on probation sure is reaaaaaaaally gonna hurt OSU
But as long as the NCAA doesn`t do shit about it, that`s the way every university will behave - what you learn from not being punished is that you can get away with it
So what incentive do programs have to get clean if being unclean helps them to recruit better and win more games without ending up with real punishment?
Zero!
I´m sure there are lots of other programs with similar situations like in MIA and OSU, some will eventually get caught, some not - but as long as the NCAA only keeps talking, that kind of widespread behavior is not going to change
ashgeuze
17-08-2011, 22:02
L.A. Times article on the Miami 'situation'
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-0818-miami-ncaa-dufresne-20110818,0,3965526.column?page=1
Ash.
ratpenat
18-08-2011, 00:52
I agree ND, the NCAA is irrelevant...I dont respect them cause they dont have a playoff system.... AND these rogue univeristies only getting slaps on teh hand tarnishes the college game. It only brings it closer to the thug cultures that you have in the NFL and NBA....sadly ghetto life has slipped into the game, and that sucks balls.
OSU, Miami, Oregon (sorry hendrk), USC (sorry Ash) should have had stiffer penalties ...... forfeiting trophies, scholarships, and wins doesnt cut it......... if teh NCAA has any integrity left they should give Miami the SMU penalty..... this is equal to pony excess as seen on espn 30/30.......
What is hilarious, the brain dead canes fans that i know, teh ones that never went to the university but claim they are real fans, cant accept teh fact. They take refuge in the word allegations....... sorry but you busted
Hi guys!
It's really good to see everyone checking in and getting up for the new season!
Strategix and I are already setting up the new threads for the year and I've been surfing around verifying the school links from last year and getting familiar with the new and remaining stream hosting sites. There is a steady ESPN stream from ********* and hopefully the guy that usually has the ESPN2 veetle stream will continue. I haven't found a reliable ESPNu stream yet so let's all keep our eyes open. As usual, I'll be getting as many BTN games as possible, along with the relevant Fox College Sports Channels games, the major networks' local regional feeds, and of course you regulars' teams and all the Gator games. I plan on running 3 streams, but only one will have available the "upper channels" like BTN, FCS, CBSC, & ESPNU due to limited funds.
The Gators should be an improved team this year. With Weis as OC and loads of speedy skill players I think we'll be solid with all the competition for the starting slots. The defensive Line is a concern though. At this point there aren't any standouts but it's a good bet at least one or two will emerge as impact players. Will Muschamp will be interesting to watch on the sidelines as he has a rep for being very intense with players, coaches and refs during the game. Hopefully Weis will redeem himself as an offensive genius and the Gators can score enough to make up for a potentially inconsistant defense. I'll predict 2-3 losses and non-bcs New Year's day Bowl.
Good luck to everybody's team.
Go Gators!!
~ft
notredame
18-08-2011, 23:39
Thanks in advance for streaming and moderating, FT - same goes out to all the other streamers
My annual donation is forthcoming
I´ll also have the "Pick' em" game up about a week before the first kickoff
I think UF did very well with hiring Weis, he remains a great OC, just don`t let him be the head coach... ;)
ratpenat
19-08-2011, 00:28
FT, first I wanna thank you for the moderating and streaming. You know I definitely appreciate it. Also, I will be trying to help by keeping eyes open for links and all. As you have seen, I have already started my schools threads and plan on being active there as usual.
To all the P2P possee, you know who you are, win or lose we still booze...... cant wait to hang out with yinz on saturday nites!!!
srfwidow
20-08-2011, 02:03
I'm sure you all know how SUPER excited I am for football! I'm so sad I'm going to miss the first 2 weeks - I'll be on vacation. Don't count me out though, I'll be here for almost every other Saturday!
I'm sure you've all heard Bryant Moniz is on the Heisman watch. We have so many new players this year it's a big question mark. I think we'll have a very strong season - good coaches and leaders. I dont think they'll suck by any means!
ratpenat
20-08-2011, 16:38
The First Lady of P2P ..... ALOOOOOHAAAAAA!!!!!!! Good to see ya!!! 2 more weeks and the fun and debauchery starts ....will be a blast. I am getting in my last 2 weeks of vacation myself, was at a beach party last nite.
I am looking forward to late nite Hawaii games and getting laid!!!!!! Surf is upppppppppp!!!!!!!!!
ratpenat
20-08-2011, 16:39
USA Today Poll
RK TEAM RECORD PTS
1 Oklahoma (42) 0-0 1454
2 Alabama (13) 0-0 1414
3 Oregon (2) 0-0 1309
4 LSU (2) 0-0 1296
5 Florida State 0-0 1116
6 Stanford 0-0 1101
7 Boise State 0-0 1065
8 Oklahoma State 0-0 933
9 Texas A&M 0-0 885
10 Wisconsin 0-0 829
11 Nebraska 0-0 814
12 South Carolina 0-0 779
13 Virginia Tech 0-0 767
14 Arkansas 0-0 750
15 TCU 0-0 687
16 Ohio State 0-0 631
17 Michigan State 0-0 536
18 Notre Dame 0-0 440
19 Auburn 0-0 329
20 Mississippi State 0-0 301
21 Missouri 0-0 266
22 Georgia 0-0 260
23 Florida 0-0 240
24 Texas 0-0 162
25 Penn State 0-0 161
Others receiving votes: Arizona State 158, West Virginia 149, Utah 50, Miami (FL) 49, Iowa 41, Northwestern 30, Arizona 28, UCF 22, Michigan 19, Air Force 15, North Carolina 14, Houston 13, South Florida 9, Hawaii 8, Clemson 7, Tennessee 7, Southern Miss 6, Brigham Young 5, North Carolina State 4, NORTHERNIL 4, Oregon State 4, Pittsburgh 3, Washington 3, Nevada 1, Georgia Tech 1,
ratpenat
20-08-2011, 16:43
I will be honest with everyone here. I dont think my Nittany Lions should be at #25 AND HERE IS WHY .......
1. QB issues .... no starter ..... and playing both never gives PSU results.
2. OL has too many questions .... holes
3. We are thin at RB....
4. DL has health issues and we are thin.
Does FSU belong at #5??? ...... YES!!!! Noles will make a statement, and you heard it here first FSU WILL Upset #1 Oklahoma inTallahassee!!!!!
Does WVU belong????? YES!!! I think they have more depth and because of the QB alone, should be at #24 or #25
With that said.... 2 weeks to go.
ratpenat
21-08-2011, 00:47
NCAA president: Death penalty an option for Miami
Saturday, August 20, 2011
By Michael Marot, Associated Press
INDIANAPOLIS -- NCAA president Mark Emmert said he's willing to back up his tough talk on punishing rule-breakers -- even using the "death penalty" as a deterrent.
With salacious allegations swirling around Miami's football program, and one week after Emmert joined with university presidents to discuss toughening sanctions against cheating schools, the NCAA's leader said he believed the infractions committee should make the harshest penalty an option.
"If, and I say if, we have very unique circumstances where TV bans and death penalties are warranted, then I don't think they are off the table and I would be OK with putting those in place," Emmert said Friday.
Emmert later said the "death penalty," which prohibits a school from competing in a sport, should only be used in rare cases. He was quick to distance his comments from the Miami case.
Convicted Ponzi scheme architect Nevin Shapiro has said he provided improper benefits to 72 Hurricanes football and basketball players from 2002-10 and that a handful of coaches in both programs were aware of the infractions. Yahoo! Sports first reported the allegations after an 11-month investigation in which it said it audited thousands of business and financial documents and spent more than 100 hours interviewing Shapiro.
The NCAA already has spent five months investigating Miami and calls speculation about penalties for an ongoing case premature.
"I will say that the university is being extremely cooperative and that is extremely helpful," Emmert said. "But if, and I underline the word if, the allegations are true, that's extremely disappointing."
If the allegations are true, it would be the ugliest scandal in college sports in years and the worst in a 18-month span in which the NCAA has looked into football programs at Southern California, Auburn, Oregon, Ohio State, Michigan, North Carolina, LSU, Tennessee and Georgia Tech and basketball programs at Southern California and Connecticut. Miami makes both lists.
Yahoo! Sports also published a photo of Miami president Donna Shalala, the Health and Human Services Secretary in the Clinton Administration, standing next to Shapiro. According to Shapiro's time line, the infractions began when Paul Dee, a former NCAA infractions committee chairman, was the school's athletic director.
While Emmert offered support for Shalala, he declined to comment on Dee.
"She's been a terrific leader in higher education, and I have great respect for her," Emmert said.
The scope of the allegations has already created widespread debate over bringing back the "death penalty," which has been used only once -- when the NCAA canceled SMU's 1987 football season because of a pay-for play scandal. The school decided not to play in 1988, either, as it tried to recover.
ratpenat
21-08-2011, 00:50
By John Feinstein, Published: August 18
When Mark Emmert was named NCAA president in April 2010, the natural question to ask was this: Whom will he choose to emulate in his new role?
We now know the answer. He is Don Vito Corleone.
Earlier this month, Emmert called for a meeting of the five families — also known as the 50 university presidents — to discuss the seemingly out-of-control cheating going on in college football. With both schools from last season’s championship football game (Auburn and Oregon) joining Ohio State, USC and North Carolina in running afoul of NCAA rules, it was time to put an end to this war.
One can almost see Emmert standing in the middle of a long table surrounded by the presidents with all their various functionaries sitting behind them.
“How did it all come to this?” Don Emmert undoubtedly asked. “We are all reasonable men (and a handful of women). It is time for us to make the peace.”
The upshot of the meeting was that the presidents were all shocked — shocked — to learn there was cheating going on, even as they were being presented with their winnings as they left. They also said academic standards needed to be tightened. Novel idea.
Then they went back to raiding each other’s conferences, all in pursuit of extra TV dollars.
Just to review in case you weren’t paying attention: Nebraska is now in the Big Ten, which has 12 teams. The Big 12 has 10 teams. Colorado and Utah are in the Pacific-10, which at least had the decency to rename itself the Pac-12. Brigham Young is an independent.
Wait, there’s more: Texas A&M wants out of the Big 12 to join the SEC. The SEC says no thanks — for now. The SEC might recruit Florida State, Clemson and Missouri. Or it might not. If the ACC were to lose Florida State and Clemson, it would try to raid the Big East again — because that worked out so well last time.
(Memo to ACC Commissioner John Swofford: Good work bringing Miami into the conference. If the latest allegations are even half-true, the ’Canes will make Ohio State and Southern California look like Harvard and Yale. Or Williams and Amherst.)
Meantime, Emmert wants to hold another meeting. This is what he does: He holds meetings.
Please. Enough already. If Emmert or a BCS school president tells you the sun will rise in the East tomorrow, check the western horizon at dawn.
Here’s what needs to happen: The NCAA needs to go away, the same way all corrupt organizations must eventually go away. The Berlin Wall fell, and so did the Soviet Union. The reserve clause went away, and baseball didn’t crumble. New Coke ceased to exist because it was awful.
All those pretty NCAA buildings in Indianapolis need to be torn down. The time for meetings among unreasonable men needs to end. Michael Corleone had it right: You don’t have to wipe everyone out — just your enemies.
The NCAA and the BCS school presidents are the enemy.
College athletics needs to governed by three separate organizations: one for football, one for men’s basketball, one for non-revenue sports. Each is completely different from the others, with needs and issues that have almost nothing in common. To be fair, this is an idea Duke basketball Coach Mike Krzyzewski has pushed for years.
“You need a commissioner for each area, one who has the power to seriously enforce the rules,” Krzyzewski said long ago. “Don’t make rules that can’t be enforced or won’t be enforced. Make rules that are reasonable and give the commissioner the power to come down hard and fast on those who break them.”
The rulebook doesn’t need to be 500 pages. It needs to be closer to 10 pages with clear rules and clear penalties on what happens if you break those rules. If you want to pay players, fine; but if you don’t, then those who do must be punished severely. Stop all the gibberish about institutions cooperating in investigations. Who cares? If you cheated, you cheated.
While we’re at it, the BCS dies along with the NCAA, even though the NCAA has claimed for years it has nothing to do with it. It sanctions it and allows it. Don Emmert may not believe in selling drugs, but he does sell a whole lot of smoke and mirrors.
The football commissioner’s first job will be to get a national championship tournament up and running. The new money that will come pouring in from that should eliminate all the need for conference-jumping. Another thing that will eliminate that need is the pooling of all TV money, just like they do in the NFL.
The question in all this is how do you get the 50 presidents to agree to do this.
Simple: Go to the mattresses. In this case, for once, government needs to intervene.
College football and men’s basketball are multi-billion-dollar businesses being run as an illegal cartel. So don’t say Congress or the president shouldn’t be “wasting time” on sports.
If the president and Congress make it clear to the university presidents that the system is completely unacceptable and they will lose all the tax breaks they currently enjoy if they do not do a complete tear-down, that will force action.
It sounds impossible. So did going to the moon. Sometimes you need to attempt the impossible. Especially when the current situation is completely sickening to witness.
The NCAA needs to sleep with the fishes.
I'm new to this site and this amazing streaming ability, but I am so glad that a friend sent me here! I apologize in advance if this question might sound ignorant, but like I said, I'm new to this. I was wondering if or how I could find out which NCAA games will be streamed this fall? I'm a long time, die hard USC Trojan fan and while living in Seoul, South Korea my biggest fear has been that I will have to miss this season. Unlike most of the fabulous bandwagon fans we've accumulated over the years, I'm true enough to ride through the good and the bad seasons. So, can any one give me some information or advice about watching my USC games? I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks!
- Ashley
ashgeuze
21-08-2011, 16:51
Hi Ashley !
Welcome to the forum, especially another Trojan !!
It all depends what games are available to each individual streamer.
As a fellow Trojan fan, I'm delighted to say the vast majority of USC games over the years, have been shown by the awesome guys that stream the games. It all depends where they are in North America and if the games are available to them and/or if it clashes with another big time game.
If the game ain't on, I usually follow it via espn or yahoo live gamechannel, whilst watching another top streamed game.
Hope to see you on game days on here. It's great fun.
Go Trojans
Ash.
ps: If you haven't already, I'd do some test streams of say, baseball, to make sure the softwares working for you, so there's no dissapointment when the season starts.
ashgeuze
21-08-2011, 17:58
AP Top 25: Week 1 (Preseason)
Records through Fri Aug 19, 2011
Rank Team Record Pts Last Week
1. Oklahoma (36) 0-0 1464 --
2. Alabama (17) 0-0 1439 --
3. Oregon (4) 0-0 1330 --
4. LSU (1) 0-0 1286 --
5. Boise St. (2) 0-0 1200 --
6. Florida St. 0-0 1168 --
7. Stanford 0-0 1091 --
8. Texas A&M 0-0 965 --
9. Oklahoma St. 0-0 955 --
10. Nebraska 0-0 910 --
11. Wisconsin 0-0 900 --
12. South Carolina 0-0 848 --
13. Virginia Tech 0-0 821 --
14. TCU 0-0 690 --
15. Arkansas 0-0 686 --
16. Notre Dame 0-0 530 --
17. Michigan St. 0-0 519 --
18. Ohio St. 0-0 443 --
19. Georgia 0-0 369 --
20. Mississippi St. 0-0 361 --
21. Missouri 0-0 258 --
22. Florida 0-0 228 --
23. Auburn 0-0 219 --
24. West Virginia 0-0 207 --
25. USC 0-0 160 --
Others Receiving Votes:
Texas 114,
Penn St. 75,
Arizona St. 67,
Miami (FL) 32,
Utah 25,
Southern Miss 20,
Iowa 19,
N.C. State 15,
BYU 15,
Air Force 14,
Houston 13,
Pittsburgh 9,
Michigan 7,
UCF 5,
Tennessee 5,
Northern Illinois 4,
Hawaii 4,
Tulsa 3,
Arizona 2,
Maryland 2,
Washington 1,
Nevada 1,
Northwestern 1
Ash.
ashgeuze
21-08-2011, 18:43
By John Feinstein, Published: August 18
When Mark Emmert was named NCAA president in April 2010, the natural question to ask was this: Whom will he choose to emulate in his new role?
We now know the answer. He is Don Vito Corleone.
Earlier this month, Emmert called for a meeting of the five families — also known as the 50 university presidents — to discuss the seemingly out-of-control cheating going on in college football. With both schools from last season’s championship football game (Auburn and Oregon) joining Ohio State, USC and North Carolina in running afoul of NCAA rules, it was time to put an end to this war.
One can almost see Emmert standing in the middle of a long table surrounded by the presidents with all their various functionaries sitting behind them.
“How did it all come to this?” Don Emmert undoubtedly asked. “We are all reasonable men (and a handful of women). It is time for us to make the peace.”
The upshot of the meeting was that the presidents were all shocked — shocked — to learn there was cheating going on, even as they were being presented with their winnings as they left. They also said academic standards needed to be tightened. Novel idea.
Then they went back to raiding each other’s conferences, all in pursuit of extra TV dollars.
Just to review in case you weren’t paying attention: Nebraska is now in the Big Ten, which has 12 teams. The Big 12 has 10 teams. Colorado and Utah are in the Pacific-10, which at least had the decency to rename itself the Pac-12. Brigham Young is an independent.
Wait, there’s more: Texas A&M wants out of the Big 12 to join the SEC. The SEC says no thanks — for now. The SEC might recruit Florida State, Clemson and Missouri. Or it might not. If the ACC were to lose Florida State and Clemson, it would try to raid the Big East again — because that worked out so well last time.
(Memo to ACC Commissioner John Swofford: Good work bringing Miami into the conference. If the latest allegations are even half-true, the ’Canes will make Ohio State and Southern California look like Harvard and Yale. Or Williams and Amherst.)
Meantime, Emmert wants to hold another meeting. This is what he does: He holds meetings.
Please. Enough already. If Emmert or a BCS school president tells you the sun will rise in the East tomorrow, check the western horizon at dawn.
Here’s what needs to happen: The NCAA needs to go away, the same way all corrupt organizations must eventually go away. The Berlin Wall fell, and so did the Soviet Union. The reserve clause went away, and baseball didn’t crumble. New Coke ceased to exist because it was awful.
All those pretty NCAA buildings in Indianapolis need to be torn down. The time for meetings among unreasonable men needs to end. Michael Corleone had it right: You don’t have to wipe everyone out — just your enemies.
The NCAA and the BCS school presidents are the enemy.
College athletics needs to governed by three separate organizations: one for football, one for men’s basketball, one for non-revenue sports. Each is completely different from the others, with needs and issues that have almost nothing in common. To be fair, this is an idea Duke basketball Coach Mike Krzyzewski has pushed for years.
“You need a commissioner for each area, one who has the power to seriously enforce the rules,” Krzyzewski said long ago. “Don’t make rules that can’t be enforced or won’t be enforced. Make rules that are reasonable and give the commissioner the power to come down hard and fast on those who break them.”
The rulebook doesn’t need to be 500 pages. It needs to be closer to 10 pages with clear rules and clear penalties on what happens if you break those rules. If you want to pay players, fine; but if you don’t, then those who do must be punished severely. Stop all the gibberish about institutions cooperating in investigations. Who cares? If you cheated, you cheated.
While we’re at it, the BCS dies along with the NCAA, even though the NCAA has claimed for years it has nothing to do with it. It sanctions it and allows it. Don Emmert may not believe in selling drugs, but he does sell a whole lot of smoke and mirrors.
The football commissioner’s first job will be to get a national championship tournament up and running. The new money that will come pouring in from that should eliminate all the need for conference-jumping. Another thing that will eliminate that need is the pooling of all TV money, just like they do in the NFL.
The question in all this is how do you get the 50 presidents to agree to do this.
Simple: Go to the mattresses. In this case, for once, government needs to intervene.
College football and men’s basketball are multi-billion-dollar businesses being run as an illegal cartel. So don’t say Congress or the president shouldn’t be “wasting time” on sports.
If the president and Congress make it clear to the university presidents that the system is completely unacceptable and they will lose all the tax breaks they currently enjoy if they do not do a complete tear-down, that will force action.
It sounds impossible. So did going to the moon. Sometimes you need to attempt the impossible. Especially when the current situation is completely sickening to witness.
The NCAA needs to sleep with the fishes.
Superb.
'nuff said.
Ash.
notredame
24-08-2011, 00:29
"Pick Ten" thread added
http://forum.wiziwig.eu/threads/59546-Pick-Ten-2011
Go ahead and start picking the winners for Week 1
ratpenat
24-08-2011, 02:47
Nice the pick 10 thread...... Cant wait!!!!!!
ratpenat
24-08-2011, 02:48
I'm new to this site and this amazing streaming ability, but I am so glad that a friend sent me here! I apologize in advance if this question might sound ignorant, but like I said, I'm new to this. I was wondering if or how I could find out which NCAA games will be streamed this fall? I'm a long time, die hard USC Trojan fan and while living in Seoul, South Korea my biggest fear has been that I will have to miss this season. Unlike most of the fabulous bandwagon fans we've accumulated over the years, I'm true enough to ride through the good and the bad seasons. So, can any one give me some information or advice about watching my USC games? I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks!
- Ashley
Ashley welcome aboard...... i am sure you will find the gang here on fall saturdays very, very interesting to say the least...... BTW what do you drink???
AmeriPaddy
25-08-2011, 11:13
I personally would love to see ND in the Big 10, would be interesting
This will happen over my dead body. There's no faster way to lose an entire alumni base than for ND to be just like everybody else.
AmeriPaddy
25-08-2011, 11:16
I'm a Notre Dame fan. I spent the last three seasons in Asia, two of em in Korea, and wouldn't have gone if I couldn't get the games online. Of course, we have NBC, so it's a lot easier. All the Irish streams should be here throughout the season, not sure about programs that are being penalized into the dark ages. If you want to enjoy your time in Seoul, your best bet is to avoid seeing your boys at all costs, especially when the Irish run roughshod over them.
ashgeuze
25-08-2011, 11:44
....................your best bet is to avoid seeing your boys at all costs, especially when the Irish run roughshod over them.
Aye, right ;-)
Hehehe,
Ash.
ratpenat
26-08-2011, 01:25
This will happen over my dead body. There's no faster way to lose an entire alumni base than for ND to be just like everybody else.
Everyone has a price ..... a succulent tv deal could make that happen in a power conference
ratpenat
28-08-2011, 04:56
FIRST YOU DENY IT....THEN YOU GO AND DO IT, NOTHING PISSES ME OFF MORE. JUST COME OUT AND FRIGGIN SAY IT TEH FIRST TIME INSTEAD OF BEING A JAGOFF
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/6902114/texas-expects-announce-plans-leave-big-12-according-report
ratpenat
30-08-2011, 01:48
yooooo i wanna post in the hot bodies section, but the thread is closed!!!!!!!! soooooo excited!!!!!!! what a way to bring my last few days to vacation to an end and a what a way to get t up for the big weekend!!!!!!!
Sorry 'bout that. The thread is open now.... :o
notredame
30-08-2011, 22:07
Somehow these very last few days before the season are the most agonizing, with time running so slowly...
notredame
30-08-2011, 22:12
Interesting: Empirical data contradicts common (mis)perception
"Notre Dame, long considered the most overrated team since the invention of fire, has not matched its preseason ranking in eight of the past 10 seasons. However, overall the Irish have finished only 12 spots below their preseason ranking, leaving Notre Dame as only the nation's 28th most overrated team in that span."
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/15503867/mcmurphys-law-vols-noles-biggest-poll-busts-of-last-10-years
notredame
31-08-2011, 02:08
The always hard-hitting NCAA is at it again: Miami QB Jacory Harris has been suspended for one entire game - wow!!!!!!
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ap-miami-ncaainvestigation
Yes, I know there will be more sanctions later on, but this once again doesn`t seem like real deterrence
Vacating Miami wins under Harris retroactively or suspending him retroactively is not going to intimidate anyone
This sounds a lot like when OSU stars were allowed to play in the BCS bowl and then "punished" afterwards (a punishment which Pryor fled from, of course)
I´m starting to have a hard time distinguishing the NCAA from the UN - both shake their fists at violators, who laugh at it secretly and go on doing their business as usual
ashgeuze
31-08-2011, 02:31
The always hard-hitting NCAA is at it again: Miami QB Jacory Harris has been suspended for one entire game - wow!!!!!!
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ap-miami-ncaainvestigation
Yes, I know there will be more sanctions later on, but this once again doesn`t seem like real deterrence
Vacating Miami wins under Harris retroactively or suspending him retroactively is not going to intimidate anyone
This sounds a lot like when OSU stars were allowed to play in the BCS bowl and then "punished" afterwards (a punishment which Pryor fled from, of course)
I´m starting to have a hard time distinguishing the NCAA from the UN - both shake their fists at violators, who laugh at it secretly and go on doing their business as usual
Just read that - pathetic !
Ash.
ratpenat
31-08-2011, 03:06
I was just going to put the article that yahoo wrote. It is disgusting, a bunch of illuminati big brother infested corrupt bankers running that outfit. The NCAA is a joke, its equal to Wall Street and Biog Brother, what th ehell is teh difference??? They failed miserably...its all about money and no longer teh academica. No longer is it student-athlete. It is simply...cashcow-athlete....then graduate........
ashgeuze
31-08-2011, 20:38
26 hrs 23 mins to go til I'm on the couch supping ale and amped up for the start of the greatest time of the year !!!
Wooooo.
Ash.
ratpenat
01-09-2011, 01:14
Yeap just a lil over 24 hours till the most wonderful time of teh year and i resort to becoming a hermit in teh man cave, and practice celibacy ....... Well....... Maybe not that drastic ....... But i know one thing teh worm is scared shitless
OK... I have moved today's posts over to the weekly "REGULAR" Season thread. Please go there (http://forum.wiziwig.eu/threads/59709-NCAA-Football-Week-1-Streaming/page2) to pick up this thread.
Thanks.
Go Gators!!
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