Just wondering - WHY?

[Twiggster]

Why anyone uses p2p streams?
Thanks to wonderful posters help on here, I watch everything on streaming, ad free, in REAL TIME.
Why would anyone want to watch on cpu heavy p2p, with all the hassles, on a delayed p2p stream?

NOT knocking p2p streamers - but asking WHY? I see NO advantage?

[PremierStreams]

Why anyone uses p2p streams?
Thanks to wonderful posters help on here, I watch everything on streaming, ad free, in REAL TIME.
Why would anyone want to watch on cpu heavy p2p, with all the hassles, on a delayed p2p stream?

NOT knocking p2p streamers - but asking WHY? I see NO advantage?

P2P tends to be more stable than flash... and some people dont mind the delay aslong as they get to see the game

[bertcocaine]

err... p2p is generally higher quality, more stable, doesn't get banned, has no ads.. I assume if you watch everything 'on streaming ad free' you mean flash based streams on web pages, and you are using FF or Chrome with ad blocker? Many people don't use those browsers and don't have ad blocker, beside which why should it be necessary to block ads when you can have them ad free?

oh, and it's not real time, the delay is just generally less but still some delay due to the laws of physics. even your TV picture has a couple of seconds delay from real time due to the speed of light being a universal limit.

Oh, and some p2p platforms allow complete anonymity, where as if you have a website, you are much more traceable, although obviously that's not an issue for the viewer though, but there are some streamers who only use p2p for that reason.

[Twiggster]

Fair enough - like I said, was just wondering. Each to their own - tho I prefer real time!

[a-t]

Fair enough - like I said, was just wondering. Each to their own - tho I prefer real time!

So you watch every game live in person at the stadiums because you prefer "real time"?

Because every method of broadcast has its own delay. Radio/TV/Flash/P2P.

[Twiggster]

So you watch every game live in person at the stadiums because you prefer "real time"?

Because every method of broadcast has its own delay. Radio/TV/Flash/P2P.

Flash streams are usually only a micronanosecond behind real time commentary I'm getting from DAB radio. THAT is the difference.Go figure.

As live as possibly can be, without being there.., unlike horrible p2p 50 second visual delays from what I'm hearing OK?

Edit to say - AGAIN - I am NOT knocking p2p streamers...there are times that they are all I have to follow games if no Flash ones are available and I am VERY grateful to them, that I have a way to follow certain events, even on delay

As I am grateful to EVERYONE who streams via Wiziwig! YESSS!!!

[bertcocaine]

Flash streams are usually only a micronanosecond behind real time commentary I'm getting from DAB radio.

you might want to try comparing DAB with FM on a radio station, you'll find DAB has a delay from FM, which itself has a delay from the broadcast, as demonstrated when people phone in and don't turn down the radio in the background. There is always a delay, and it's definitely more than a 'micronanosecond'.


assuming that you can't find a p2p stream with the right language, some DAB radios, and any audio stream source you can find on the net, can be paused to allow the picture to catch up, something I occasionally do.

[Twiggster]

you might want to try comparing DAB with FM on a radio station, you'll find DAB has a delay from FM, which itself has a delay from the broadcast, as demonstrated when people phone in and don't turn down the radio in the background. There is always a delay, and it's definitely more than a 'micronanosecond'.


assuming that you can't find a p2p stream with the right language, some DAB radios, and any audio stream source you can find on the net, can be paused to allow the picture to catch up, something I occasionally do.

To be honest, I have Dab radio stream over U-stream, (now some lovely posters on here have sorted the ad probs!) <3 And Premier Streams show most Leeds games on streaming. They are within 0.5 secs of being in synch and give me the games in as near to real time as I can get. In fact, I have seen and heard goals with that combination, before people have heard on FM radio, in my live LUFC chatroom.

I have no wish to pause and catch up - I love what I have. Nothing to do with language - just Premier Stream video and my DAB radio commentary stream are usually in synch with the game I'm watching and listening to from different flash streams,. 0,5 secs behind real time. Can't get any better eh? Loving it!

[nutjob]

I find this whole P2P vs FLASH thing as equally as boring as the Xbox vs Playstation fan boy shite, one side goading the other side.

Both have good & bad points it's that simple, use what you want and enjoy it!

[FootyLive]

i find this whole p2p vs flash thing as equally as boring as the xbox vs playstation fan boy shite, one side goading the other side.

Both have good & bad points it's that simple, use what you want and enjoy it!

this

[bertcocaine]

oh come on, you've just dismantled your whole argument - if you are sourcing DAB via a stream, and TV by a stream, then saying they are in sync and it's real-time.. I can have my TV and my radio on in my house and they'll be in sync.

I'll stop now because FootyLive and nutjob are quite right.

[Twiggster]

I find this whole P2P vs FLASH thing as equally as boring as the Xbox vs Playstation fan boy shite, one side goading the other side.

Both have good & bad points it's that simple, use what you want and enjoy it!

Do give me some credit please. I am NOT goading! Just stating FACT from my user experience. DUH!

[Twiggster]

oh come on, you've just dismantled your whole argument - if you are sourcing DAB via a stream, and TV by a stream, then saying they are in sync and it's real-time.. I can have my TV and my radio on in my house and they'll be in sync.

I'll stop now because FootyLive and nutjob are quite right.

Sorry? I said they are in synch? They mostly are. I've said I get a nano second of delay - I do. I've said I hear and see things watching/listening to games before tv and FM radio watchers/listeners get them...even with my crap old P.C. I do...
Believe me or not...It's my experience....I'm happy!

[bertcocaine]

it's not your experience I'm questioning, it's your reasoning.

signal => TV => computer => internet => your computer = FASTER than signal => TV? That would violate the laws of physics. You also talked about real-time, but are now stating the BOTH audio AND video are via (separate) streams, but are in sync. You need to review the meaning of the term 'real-time'.

[nutjob]

Do give me some credit please. I am NOT goading! Just stating FACT from my user experience. DUH!

You're not stating any facts, your open post only has Questions. As to answer your question Why do people use P2P ?

All i will say is Real Madrid vs Barcelona try watching that game on flash, it will take 4 hours to finish with the amount of lag you suffer.

[Twiggster]

You're not stating any facts, your open post only has Questions. As to answer your question Why do people use P2P ?

All i will say is Real Madrid vs Barcelona try watching that game on flash, it will take 4 hours to finish with the amount of lag you suffer.

Nope - have watched all the El Clasico games live on flash streams on here, recently. Never a problem, even with my crap p.c. No lag at all.

I have way more probs with p2p streams, as my CPU goes into screaming mode on the rare occasions I use a p2p stream and slows my whole p.c. down. Which was the basis for my original post.

As I've mentioned in this thread, it was NOT my intention to "goad" anyone. Everything I have posted above is absolutely true - based on my experiences, from streams on here.

I am very grateful to EVERYONE who takes the time to stream games, using whatever format....THANK YOU ALL!

[nutjob]

Ive finally worked it out

[bertcocaine]

have watched all the El Clasico games live on flash streams on here, recently. Never a problem, even with my crap p.c. No lag at all.

I could pick apart the sentence which doesn't really make sense, but I'll stick to referring you to the flash streaming thread, where the issue was raised, and even PremierStreams has commented on the topic in there, look at this post and the ones on the page before. Clearly the streamers don't know what they are talking about? If it is as you say, then I would suggest you are very, very lucky.

If you're CPU 'goes into screaming mode' when you watch p2p, then you might want to upgrade from your x386.

[Twiggster]

Ive finally worked it out

I have tried to keep this thread polite as I seem to be being attacked for no reason. However - Fishing? Your breath smells of maggots and your rod is too small (So I've heard?). Silly sod!

[Twiggster]

I could pick apart the sentence which doesn't really make sense, but I'll stick to referring you to the flash streaming thread, where the issue was raised, and even PremierStreams has commented on the topic in there, look at this post and the ones on the page before. Clearly the streamers don't know what they are talking about? If it is as you say, then I would suggest you are very, very lucky.

If you're CPU 'goes into screaming mode' when you watch p2p, then you might want to upgrade from your x386.

Testing sites huh? Point made. Gues I'm lucky then...
I've never made any bones about my shyte p.c, as it is just that. - but Flash streaming works 100% for me (thanks to help from posters on here) - and p2p screws up my CPU. And is seriously time delayed
We are a long way off the original question now. Thanks for the replies everyone. I'll stick to flash, thanks